tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5018606010374770492.post887619448045552157..comments2023-10-12T21:43:47.675-07:00Comments on Haplogroup J2: Phoenician Footprints in the Mediterraneanm172http://www.blogger.com/profile/15535031863948762879noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5018606010374770492.post-43831371757720412202009-01-09T19:47:00.000-08:002009-01-09T19:47:00.000-08:00I don't believe any of that garbage. J1, the so ca...I don't believe any of that garbage. J1, the so called Semitic haplogroup more diverse genetically in the North Caucasus, Ethiopia and Europe compared to North Africa or anywhere in Arabia. Studies of Arabian haplogroups show J1 to derive from the North of the Middle East and to be derivative of haplogroups in places like Lebanon or Iraq.<BR/>J2 in Malta is 21% not 32%. I rather trust Capelli et al than Mr Z from Lebanon or that Wells fellow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5018606010374770492.post-8633474871686072282008-11-04T05:39:00.000-08:002008-11-04T05:39:00.000-08:00Its amazing how these studies ignore the (E1b1b-T)...Its amazing how these studies ignore the (E1b1b-T)<BR/><BR/>There were 2 main genotypes in Ancient Phoenicia.<BR/><BR/><BR/>J (Y-DNA) J1 proto-Semites that semitized the coastal natives & J2 Mesopotamians agriculturalists who moved into the inland regions before the J1 proto-Semites.<BR/><BR/>The Coasts are still till this day dominated by E1b1b an overall 25%-32% of Lebanese are E1b1b (highest subclade), the frequencies reach 50% in the coasts. J is an overall Lebanese gene, while E1b1b & T are exclusive coastal genes. (absent in -inland near East- While J2 is found in 30% frequency in Iraq, Northern Syria...etc<BR/> <BR/><BR/>E1b1b (Y-DNA) : T (Y-DNA) were the sailors & ship builders class<BR/><BR/>Any Phoenician genetic impact has to be mainly connected with the coastal older Neolitihic offset of E1b1b & T the shared an 8:1 ratio, thats also exists in Greece in the same ratio which easily shows that simply all East Med coast dwellers (E1b1b & T) originated from the same group (The part we all try to ignore....but for how long....)<BR/><BR/><BR/>Origin of the Med Sea E1b1b-T offset (The most important compononent of the Phoenician DNA)<BR/><BR/>Ratio-------------- T%:E1b1b%<BR/><BR/>Somalians--------- 10%:81%-------------> (ancestors)<BR/><BR/>Lebanese---------- 3%:25%<BR/><BR/>Greeks------------- 3%:25%<BR/><BR/>Sicilains----------- 2.5%:20%<BR/><BR/>(The E1b1b:T ratio greatly differs amongst Egyptians, Omanis, Serbians & Kosovars....which shows that E1b1b:T came from a Sea cultured group that originated somewhere along the coasts of some warm nation) <BR/><BR/>J2 was also a Greek marker, because Greeks settled these regions longer (ancient Greeks then Byzantines & their settlements were by far deeper & had a longer lasting impact than the Phoenicians)<BR/><BR/>To track the Phoenican genetic impact you have to take the E1b1b + T & the J2. <BR/><BR/>The E1b1b+T+J2 roughly ~ 8:7:1 is the Phoenician offset that was also shared by the Greeks. Outside teh offset the Greeks had more R1/I (Y-DNA) & Phoenicians had Proto-Semitic J1<BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>Greek or Phoenician DNA?<BR/><BR/>Ratio-------------- J2%:T%:E1b1b%<BR/><BR/>Pelop. Greeks------25%:5%:47%<BR/><BR/>Coastal Lebanese--25%:5%:40s%<BR/><BR/>Lebanese---------- 25%:3%:25%--------------------+J1<BR/><BR/>Greeks------------- 25%:3%:25%--------------------+R1/I (Y-DNA)<BR/><BR/>Sicilains----------- 23%:2.5%:20%--------------------+R1/I (Y-DNA)<BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>Lebanese, Greeks & Sicilians share very similar % of E1b1b, T & J2 genes they differ by European genes that are high % in Greece-Siciliy +40% & average Mid Eastern low % in Lebanon ~ 6% except amongst the Lebanese Druze (5% of Lebanon).<BR/><BR/>Thats contrasted by a high Proto-Semitic J1 +30% in Lebanon & average South European low% of J1 in Greece-Sicily ~ 5% except in the Sicilian Palermo region.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04327993029390816632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5018606010374770492.post-27154976364007055432008-11-04T05:20:00.000-08:002008-11-04T05:20:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04327993029390816632noreply@blogger.com